Blue Ridge Grotto of the NSS
MEETING MINUTES
October 18, 2013 - 7:30p – Vinton Firehouse
Meeting began 7:38p
Attendance:
Marian McConnell – Chair Bob Alderson Al Stewart Jen Perdue
Mary Sue Socky – Sec. Bob Gulden Nicole Gulden Doug Feller
Dave Socky – Vice Chair Dusty Gulden *Heather Bostic *Bill Walker
Stephanie Petri – Treas. *Mariah Kelly *Todd Martin * Shawn Daugherty
* denotes guest.
Trip Reports:
8/24: Bob Alderson, Stewart Daw, Natalie Pheasant
went to Gap Cave, VA. They tried
connecting a pit to nearby Cliff Cave.
They found old saltpeter digs, and old Civil War signatures in Gap
Cave. Bob checked out a fissure;
Natalie climbed a scaling pole lead.
(Neither went). Then they visited
Cliff Cave, VA. Cliff Cave is
small, with a couple of nuisance drops.
They looked for ladders, checked out leads, and retrieved project ropes
that had been left in the cave from previous trips. One rope had been in the cave for four years,
and had become “crunchy” – it had a patina of calcite deposited on it! The trip ended with them carrying 400’ of
rope back to the field station.
9/21: BRG trip to Maxwelton Cave, WV. Good five hour trip, although there was a
strong smell of diesel fuel throughout parts of the cave. Went to the Latte Room and toward the
collapsed entrance. Stephanie Petri,
Dave Socky, Doug Feller, Susan Burr also went downstream of Cove Creek a bit
and took photos at the big flowstone (Reported petroleum smell to Carroll
Bassett.) (Next weekend, smell was
gone.)
Labor Day Weekend
Caving
Bob
Alderson, Terry McClanahan, Adam Lake and other D.C. grotto folks visited
several WVa caves over Labor Day.
8/31:
Brier Pit, WV (located above Piercy’s Mill Cave). Also did two obscure pits, Babble # 1
and Babble # 2. Note: hiking in
WVa in late summer is NOT fun – lots of briers & nasty brush in the
overgrown fields around the caves.
9/1:
Bob Alderson, Corey (NLN), Terry McClanahan visited Curry Pit, WV. This
trip involved LOTS of hiking to and fro.
They finally found the 100’ pit; its bottom was full of bones.
9/1:
Bob Alderson & Terry McClanahan did Grapevine Pit, and the ‘wild
areas’ off-trail at Lost World Caverns, WV.
9/26: Bob Alderson, Vonnie Droms and Marc Minton
checked the sump in Savannah Cave, WV.
The water was low at the bottom of the 80’ pit. They also went ‘spelunking’ in Poor Farm
Cave, WV, during Fall VAR/YTR.
10/5:
Stephanie Petri, Brian Williams, Bill Walker did a ridgewalk through the Falls Ridge Preserve (owned by TNC,
Montgomery Co. VA) Beautiful travertine waterfall, lots of karst features! They looked all over for cave entrances.
10/5: Mary Sue Socky, Bob Thren, and the rest of
the GRAND crew showed up for the last weekend that Fountain Cave, VA was
open for the 2013 season. Work on the
dig continued, resurvey of the Entrance Room (Nature’s Nursery) continued, as
well as photo inventory and a study of old torch marks throughout the cave.
10/5: VMA.
Bob Alderson, (Vonnie Droms, Mark Minton) went to the Warner Noisy Blower dig in Germany
Valley WV. They broke out into a nice
room that had some drops. They pushed
the fissure ceiling and a hole in the floor.
There will be a return trip to work more on the pit.
10/12:
Nicole and Dusty Gulden visited Snedegar’s Saltpeter Cave (Friars Hole Cave Preserve) WV
for an interesting experiment. They took
in night vision goggles and a helmet cam.
The night vision goggles are amazing!
One tea light every 50’ or so, and the entrance room is “lit up” through
the goggles!
10/12:
Dave Socky, Vanessa Krabacher, Tommy Polson, Chris Walsh went to Maxwelton
Cave WV for a WVACS survey trip.
They resurveyed passage for the lost ‘SIN’ survey: 706’ of mostly dry
walking passage in a 14 ½ hour trip. The diesel fuel smell in the cave was
gone! Vanessa took a nap, and collected amphipods
for Dr. Dan Fong.
(TRIP REPORTS – cont.)
TAG Fall Cave-In
Brian
Williams, Bill Walker, and TAG Virgin Stephanie Petri. (Aaron Moses was also at TAG)
10/10:
On the way down, Brian & Steph stuck one foot in the entrance to Howard’s
Waterfall Cave, GA.
10/11:
BBS did Neversink, AL (165’), Stephanie’s biggest drop to date. They also toured Tumblin’ Rock Cave, AL;
a nice 6 hour cave trip, visiting The
King’s Shower, Topless dome, Christmas
Tree areas, then went all the way back to the Pillar of Fire.
10/12:
BBS did “Martin Springs” ridgewalk.
Martin Springs is a resurgence a the bottom of the ridge. They found the Martin Spring High Hole, TN
(upper entrance), just dropped the 115’ pit. (Could not find the way on to the
big cave) then they found and explored Martin Springs Low Hole, TN, -
walk-in entrance, 500’ of walking passage, then short nasty crawl to a terminal
sump.
10/13:
Brian & Stephanie visited Stephen’s Gap Cave, AL. Stephanie did an incredible drop through the Keyhole onto the Pedestal. Then they headed
back to VA.
10/15: Dave Socky, Rebecca Stewart, Ellen Koertge did
a bio survey of the first three rooms of Goodwin Cave, Roanoke Co. VA. They did see a frog and a salamander, and
numerous isopods, but no bats. They left
“bug traps’ baited with limburger cheese.
They will return in a week to check the traps. Rebecca and Ellen are graduate students
working for VA DCR.
Upcoming Trips:
·
10/19: BRG trip to Culverson
Creek Cave, WV. Doug Feller is
leader. They will attempt a thru trip
from the Wild Cat Entrance to the McLaughlin Entrance. Be prepared for muddy and wet cave passage!
·
10/19-20: Roanoke Valley GO-Fest,
down by the Roanoke River. Free.
·
November BRG trip (11/16?) No one thought of a cave, or a leader. To Be Determined…
Program: Slide show of the 2013 NSS Photo Salon.
Excellent award winning photos!
BUSINESS MEETING
TREASURER’S
REPORT (submitted by Stephanie Petri):
10/18/2013 Balance Sheet
Petty Cash 110.00
General Fund 3,676.71
Conservation 266.55
Equipment 235.36
Cave Bucks 194.30
TOTAL
BALANCE: $4,482.82
NEWSLETTER
–Thanks for the articles! We need
covers. Extra hardcopies of the DUMP are
available at meetings.
MEMBERSHIP –Will
be voting on Heather Bostic’s membership. Bring folks interested in caving to BRG
meetings.
ROCKS
– BRG surveyors will survey 2 caves (Church Cave, Little Pipe Cave)
in Roanoke Co. this Sunday. (DRSocky). SAFETY & TECHNIQUES – Due to Dan’s
out of town work schedule, nothing will be done until after January 2014.
MEMBERSHIP
PROPOSALS – Heather Bostic, NSS # 65348,
sponsored by Susan Burr, 2nd by Stephanie Petri. Since Susan was not at the BRG meeting,
Stephanie Petri acted as Heather’s sponsor surrogate, and Heather was voted in
by acclimation. No other new membership
proposals.
Old Business
·
Porter’s Tree: Glen Todd
(RASS) Oct. 26, 2013 to remove the tree over the Porter’s Cave Gate. Meet at cave 10a, be prepared for digging,
cutting, dragging, and caving afterwards.
Contact Susan Burr to volunteer.
·
NSS Fundraising
(Final Report)–Steph. Petri received
a certificate for the “NSS Brick”.
·
Donation to
Vinton Firehouse (final report). – Steph. Petri sent letter, check, stuff was
mailed 10/2/2013). Hopefully they got
it.
·
BRG BASH Kit –
Alan Staton has volunteered to look at it, will recommend on restocking. (Thanks, Alan!)
·
Want to buy a
Bridge? Natural Bridge, hotel, and cave
are to be auctioned <New Date> Dec. 18, 2p.
BUSINESS MEETING
(cont.)
Old Business (cont.)
·
Roanoke City
Go-Fest is Oct. 18-20. No one offered to run a booth for 3 days. Mary Sue
Socky offered check it out, though.
·
BRG will send
Cave Owner Christmas Cards this year.
Nothing was submitted; Marian will try to bring a sketch next month
(November). Submit photos from cave
trips, too!
NEW BUSINESS:
·
BRG Officer Nominations
are in October. Al Stewart made a
motion to accept the current slate of officers and do a railroad job “by
acclimation”. Bob Gulden seconded. Everyone refused to vote on the motion.
·
Mary Sue Socky
did a report on the VAR fall meeting (9/29/2013). See attachment.
o Of special note, please
record what kind of bats, and how many you see underground, and tell Wil
Orndorff! Scientists can use this info
to keep caves open for cavers.
·
Marian McConnell
is finding caves to check out from her “Murder Hole” book signings. Several locals have invited her to check out
caves on their property!
·
Motion: We have three BRG members who are of the
original group of cavers who founded BRG in Nov. 1969. We honored Al Stewart with BRG Life
Membership. Mary Sue Socky proposed that
we bestow FREE BRG Life Membership to founders Joey Fagan, NSS # 10666 and Joe
Fagan, NSS # 11133. (Joey’s wife Janice
would have to pay $5.00/year as ‘family member”). (Can’t
tell you who seconded, but everyone vote for the motion). Motion
PASSED.
ANNOUNCEMENTS,
MAIL BAG, ETC.
·
10/25-27:
SEKCI, at Crane Nest, KY. Contact John Taylor for more info.
·
WNS Decon protocols – HOT water (122 F) for 20 min.
will kill WNS spores.
·
NSS Convention, July 14-18, 2014 will be in Huntsville, AL it’s going to be a GOOD ONE!!
·
11/9/2013: WVCC
Banquet, Lewisburg WV. $30.00 Guest speakers are Mike Futrell and Anna
Ziegler.
·
MURDER HOLE book by Marian McConnell is available and is selling
like hotcakes!
o NSS members can get discount if they order MURDER
HOLE through the NSS Office.
Meeting adjourned at 8:42p.
Minutes Submitted by
Mary
Sue Socky
BRG Secretary
Attachment – Fall VAR 2013 Meeting Notes 9/29/2013
Hosted by VPI Cave Club
(John Echols, Sarah Crowder and Nick Socky)
THANK YOU!
Perfect weather, lots of
cave trips. Good dinner, band.
185 people attended. (70 YTR,
115 VAR). They broke even, or
made a profit.
Discussion on how host
grotto collects $5 per person in the attendance fees for VAR, and host grottos
need to turn over these totals to VAR if we are to have operating funds! (Tidewater did not, have no idea what Rolland
did with funds he collected).
Conservation – Spring
weekend at Grand was a success, well attended.
Please let Meredith know of other conservation happenings.
·
BTW, Meredith
would love to step down from VAR Conservation post.
·
Old epoxy in Grand, Fountain Cave is failing after 10
years.
Need something that will work in our Appalachian environment.
Anno: Natural Bridge Auction, Tree removal @
Porter’s, Alex Sproul is in hospital, VSS has one cave more than WVSS.
Brian Massey has a WVASS database where you can put files, photos, maps, old survey data,
etc. Please get with your county
coordinator and archive your data!!
Crystal Caverns @ Hupps Hill: On Oct. 5, Cedar Creek Foundation will sign a MOU
with MAKC for cavers to manage the cave!
Front Royal will manage the cave.
What is needed is groups of cavers to provide management and conduct
tours. (Small manager groups can camp on site.)
Hours currently 4 days a week, by appointment for bus tours, scouts and
education groups. For some reason, the
MOU does not include use of the large building/classroom, only the gift
shop/museum building.
·
Motion made for
VAR to support MAKC and Hupps Hill. <Motion
Passed.>
VCB: Cave and
Karst Trail Project. Will include show caves, area karst features. Trails are (a) SeLu Conservancy, Crystal
Caverns, and Skyline Caverns. Let
Meredith Weberg know of additional sites that may be added to the project. The next VCB Meeting will be in
Christiansburg, VA on Nov. 9.
WNS and Caves: Wil Orndorff reported:
·
The US Forest
Service, WV DNR, USFW, and cavers are working on getting some caves
reopened. Progress is slow going… Cave Mountain Cave (hibernaculum &
nursery) might remain closed year-round.
(sounds like a ‘Sorry folks, we wanted to warn you’.)
·
Please, when you go caving,
o Make note of
what kind, and how many bats you see underground.
o Report your
findings to Wil. The cave scientists need data to keep the
caves open!
·
If Pips (tricolor
bats) are listed as endangered, it will be a nightmare for cavers.
Future VAR Registration Pricing. MOTION: RASS moves that VAR requests those grottos
hosting future spring and fall VARs to price registration so that members of
the NSS pay at least five dollars less than non-members of the NSS. Both regions and grottos would indirectly
benefit from greater membership in the NSS.
Future host grottos would retain the $5 or other premium for their
internal purposes. BATS seconds.
Discussion: Phil Ballister said “It would be a pain in
the ass”! The motion is fine for the NSS
to dictate, but it will discourage new folks from attending VARs. More discussion. The question was called. MOTION DID NOT CARRY. (Ted Kayes and Cheryl Jones will try again
in Spring 2014.) (See entire motion at
bottom of this page.)
Region Record: Kyle Mills and Jessica Reep are new editors. Their next deadline in Dec. 2013.
Spring VAR 2014: RASS, No exact date yet (sometime in May
2014). Will be held at BOB.
Fall VAR 2014: Monongahela Grotto (their 50th
anniversary). @ Rich Mt. Battlefield, in
Elkins WV, in October 2014.
Meeting adjourned
10:08a.
Notes by MSSocky
Full Motion from Ted Kayes & Cheryl Jones:
The Richmond Area
Speleological Society moves that the Virginia Region requests those grottos
hosting future spring and fall VAR’s to price registration so that members of
the NSS pay at least five dollars less than non-members of the NSS.
Discussion: It has been difficult to maintain membership
in the NSS because of the economy and a variety of other reasons. Providing a discount to NSS members attending
a meeting of an internal organization (VAR) would enhance the visible benefits
of membership in the NSS.
Many other regional organizations charge a
premium to non-members of the NSS attending their events. Next month TAG Fall Cave In will be charging
a premium for non-NSS members, as it has done for many years.
Both regions and grottos would indirectly
benefit from greater membership in the NSS.
Future host grottos would retain the $5 or other premium for their
internal purposes.