BLUE RIDGE GROTTO
March
16, 2012 Meeting Minutes
Vinton
Fire Department – 7:30p
Mary Sue Socky
– Vice Chair |
Dusty Gulden* |
Nicole Smith* |
Trish Geiger –
Treasurer |
Cyndi Hutchison |
Carl Alls |
Susan Burr |
Stephanie Petri |
Al Stewart |
David Socky |
Marian McConnell
(Secretary) |
Jessica Jones* |
Ben Hester* |
Hannah Doss* |
Donna Doss* |
Doug Feller |
|
|
*Guest
1. TRIP REPORTS
a. On February 18, Susan Burr,
Doug Feller, and Stephanie Petri lead a group of 6 Roanoke College Outdoor Club
students on a cave trip into Porters
Cave, VA. They went through the
Keyhole and did the loop through the breakdown to the Natural Bridge where they
took a break and took a group picture.
They then went back through the Keyhole to the Big Room to explore. They then went to the Formation room, to the
Big Slit, and then out.
b. On March 3, Susan Burr, Mary
Sue Socky, Cyndi Hutchison, Tommy Tracy, Stephanie Petri, Danny Ledger, Jessica
Jones, and Ben Hester went to Porters
Cave, VA. They did the main normal
route, some of the group wanted to go through the Keyhole and back so they
did. The exciting part of the trip was
seeing and hearing all the water due to flooding from heavy rains. They took lots of pictures. (Note:
They saw definite evidence of WNS, which Mary Sue reported to Wil
Orndorff.)
c. On March 3, David Socky went
with Phil Lucas, Brad Blaise, and Dave Collings (it
was his 50th birthday) to work on the Tweedle-Dee Dig, VA. They hauled
about 4 tons of rock and dirt. There is
a 40’ vertical culvert at the entrance, with lots of shoring, rebar, and a
system to haul buckets of dirt out.
There is about 200’ of passage; they had 7 people working, and who
pulled 104 buckets of dirt and rock out in 5 hours.
d. On March 10, David Socky went
to a WVACS Tuckwiler Pond Dig, WV, and moved lots of big rocks.
David pulled a muscle in his back trying to lift one big rock. He also went with Jeff Bray and John Pearson
to look at Piercy’s Mill Cave (where
a movie was recently filmed), Piercy’s Cave,
and Piercy’s Mill Annex Cave. There are incredible rimstone dams in Piercy’s Mill Cave; and this might be a
great BRG trip when the water level is low.
e. On February 18, Mary Sue Socky, Pat Sims, Bob
Thren and other VAR Project folk participated in the Melrose Cave Project, VA,
AKA “Chia Pet” Cave due to the amount of fungus in it. (Wear a respirator!) There are historic signatures in the cave; if
you are interested in helping, contact Carol Tiderman.
f. In November 2011, Dusty Gulden went
in Cricket Maze Cave, WV; the owners
have changed the number of people allowed in the cave from 3 to 5 people per
trip, and Dusty has a key. The cave is
all crawling, but has neat fossils on the walls.
g. On March 10, Susan Burr and
Doug Feller went hiking on Fore Mountain Trail, and saw an abandoned iron ore
mine.
h. The March 17 BRG trip will be
to Haynes Cave, WV. A caver owns the cave. It is very dry, and about 1400’ of passage
with old saltpeter workings. Haynes Cave
was also the source of some Pleistocene ground sloth bones which were found by
Saltpeter miners and given to Thomas Jefferson.
The cave also contains old mining artifacts and gypsum. They may also
look at the entrance to Windy Mouth
Cave, WV. Meet at 9am at HROM.
i. Annual McClung’s Trip will be on May 19.
j. April BRG Trip – to be
determined; possibly Windy Mouth or Higginbothams.
k. Mary Sue Socky will be
presenting on cave geology, conservation, and safety at Cave Spring High School
March 20-22 between 8:30a-3:30p. Please contact Mary Sue if you can help.
2. PROGRAM:
“Inner Earth” video by Greg Passmore. (Merit Award Winner, 2011 NSS
Convention.
3. TREASURER’S REPORT:
Petty
Cash 100.00
General
3,922.03
Conservation
266.59
Equipment
216.36
Cave Bucks 153.30
TOTAL $4,658.28
4. COMMITTEES:
NEWSLETTER
– Great issue; thanks for photos and articles.
Articles, art, photos welcome!
MEMBERSHIP
– Currently have 54 members.
ROCKS
– Will eventually reschedule ridge-walking at Blue Ridge Vineyard in Eagle
Rock.
SAFETY
& TECNIQUES – Let Dan McConnell know of any topics you’d like training in.
5. MEMBERSHIP PROPOSALS: Tom Tracy submitted his letter; David Socky,
his sponsor, read the letter and moved we consider his request. Susan Burr seconded the motion. Tabled until next month for a vote.
6. OLD BUSINESS:
a. Checks have been sent out to
various cave-related organizations.
b. Wikipedia publication of cave
locations is a dead issue (for now anyway).
c. Discussion regarding Blue Ridge Grotto
trips, waivers, and non-BRG trips:
Information
was gathered prior to the meeting by Pat Sims and Mary Sue Socky from the NSS,
VAR, and other Grottos on how they handle waivers. We discussed how to define a BRG versus
non-BRG trip, and who should use BRG waivers and BRG gear. Information was submitted also from Sharon
Bruce and Meredith Hall Weberg. We discussed the possibility of incorporating
BRG. NSS states we cannot put anything in the waiver about “suggested
donations” for the use of BRG gear.
Whatever
we decide should be posted on our website so everyone knows the policies and
procedures; we may need to revise the Bylaws as well.
One
Possible Idea: A BRG trip could be
proposed by any BRG member, and must include all the logistics: cave, date and time, permission, leader and
co-leader, level (beginner, intermediate, vertical), basic route/purpose of the
trip, and maximum number of participants.
If a majority of BRG members vote “yes” then it would be a BRG
trip. The trip leader would be
responsible for notifying the BRG if any significant changes are made (e.g.
change in cave, change in level, etc.)
All BRG members have a waiver on file; guests would sign a BRG waiver
and could use BRG gear. Any trip not
approved by BRG would be a non-BRG trip and the leader would have to use a
generic (non-BRG) waiver and could not use BRG gear.
Once
we decide on how we want to do things, we need to have our BRG waivers checked
over by a Virginia Attorney, and our process for using them, and if they
recommended becoming incorporated.
Training on Cave Leadership is available through our Safety &
Techniques Officer and can be requested as needed. We agreed to put this
discussion in the Carbide Dump for everyone to review and think about for next
month’s meeting.
Addendum:
Recommendations from Dan McConnell who was unable to be at the meeting: Due to liability issues,
any BRG member can plan a caving trip (which should include the logistics
discussed above such as cave, date, permission, etc.); all BRG members already
have a BRG waiver on file. If any BRG member sponsors a GUEST, then that guest
should sign a GENERIC waiver, and will be the responsibility of that
sponsoring BRG member. If a group
(e.g. Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, college, etc.) approaches BRG for cave
leadership, it is up to individual BRG members to offer to voluntarily lead the
group; and it will be their individual responsibility and they should use the group’s
waivers. If the group or non-BRG
members do not have their own waivers, a generic (not BRG) waiver should
be used. BRG equipment could be used for
any caving trips as long as approved by a majority of the BRG members. Dan is willing to do a talk on Cave
Leadership as the program for our April meeting; he said be prepared for a
thorough presentation about the responsibilities of being a trip leader.
7. NEW BUSINESS:
a. NSS Members can vote for BOG
(Board of Governors) online.
b. Marian will check with David
Rose about his contact who may let us explore the cave at the Eagle Rock
Quarry.
8. ANNOUNCEMENTS:
·
Orientation
to Cave Rescue (OCR) in Harrisonburg, VA March 30-April 1.
·
Spring
VAR April 27-29 at Greenbrier Poor Farm; hosted by Tri-State Grotto. Pre-registration price break ends April 1.
·
SERA
Cave Carnival at Estill Fork, AL May 2-6.
·
Grand
Caverns Reenactment June 16.
·
NSS
Convention “Mayacon 2012” in Lewisburg, WV June
25-29.
9. Adjournment – 9:30p.